We are in agreement once again Robyn! Thank you for your nuanced comment. I wish you wouldn't live on the other side of the world so I could invite you for coffee! ☕ ♥️
But you know, if there's going to be carnage in Europe, maybe YOU should come to mine for coffee! :-D
I have read quite a few of Baba Vanga's predictions, and Nostradamus'. Sometimes they seem quite specific, other times they are extremely vague (esp. in the case of Nostradamus!). However, if people are seeing things in their mind, but they are futuristic things (eg visualising space travel when the horse & cart was still operational in their own life), then explaining how this all works in their vision might be tricky. These seers, assuming they are actually seeing proper visions every time, and not just going off into La-La land thanks to a few interesting drugs (like Nostradamus also did...), have to put what they see into their own terms. So there's bound to be some misunderstandings, both from the seer's perspective - and the reader's.
And unfortunately, so many religious works have been translated over and over again that it can be hard to ascertain their true meaning.
I am also an Astrologer, so I use that for most of my predictive work. I guess knowing Astrology, Nostradamus' predictions aren't quite so fuzzy for me (but they're still a bit weird sometimes!).
I don't know how Europe is going to go. There are so many things afoot in the world right now, and covering up The Truth seems to be high up on the crazy people's list! That in itself speaks volumes.
I'd say trust your instinct. But remember that humans are humans. And Europe has seen A LOT of war. There are a lot of people there. War is bound to happen again. Whether this results in Islam or Christianity being the religion of the day is anyone's guess. All I can guarantee is that war WILL happen again in this world, and lots of people will die. WHEN this happens, though? It could be in March 2077, with a Saturn-Pluto square in Capricorn-Aries respectively (they're super closely squared, for 3 months, thanks to retrograde motion), or it could be some other time.
In somewhat recent modern history, the biggest wars (WW1 & WW2) had far and away the most deaths. Over so few years, too. Both those wars had Saturn & Pluto in challenging aspect at their beginnings - but from my research, local wars often don't seem to need that, looking at historical wars. Humans being humans is generally enough, warmongers that we are!
For WW1, Saturn was conjunct Pluto in Cancer, within 2 degrees, for 4 months, from mid-Aug 1914 to mid-Dec 1914, with a retrograde that had the two planets within 10 tiny minutes of eachother from late Sept to early Nov. That's pretty strong. Talk about families being ripped apart.
For WW2, Saturn in Taurus was square Pluto in Leo, within 2 degrees, and again, very closely for a while with that retrograde motion, again, from Jul-Sep 1939.
We get the same thing happening with Saturn in Capricorn square Pluto in Aries in 2077, including that retrograde, from mid-Feb to the end of May 2077. If there's ever going to be a world war again, I think that's it. I'm sure Europe would be involved in it. And I'm sure it would be a bloody war to do with the balance of resources/power in the world.
The Covid Plandemic began with a conjunction of Pluto & Saturn in Capricorn, FYI, on 12th January 2020. But there was none of that retrograde motion going on, and they were only conjunct the once. No planetary dance going on. Just fairly close for a month. Maybe that was why there was no true 'bloodshed' per se. Oh people died, yes they did, but not in the typical warlike fashion.
I doubt the next conjunction of Pluto & Saturn in Pisces in mid-2053 will be much to watch, bloodshed-wise, even though they're conjunct for months, and they have that retrograde motion again. It's in Pisces. Not exactly warlike! But it could certainly result in more pulling of wool over everyone's eyes/brainwashing, as well as drugs being involved, Pisces being ruled by Neptune and all...maybe another covid plandemic of sorts....
Anyway, you might hate Astrology for all I know, and here I am busily typing away! :-D
All I'm saying is that there are many ways to 'predict' the future eg seers/visionaries, astrology, religious texts, viewing history, looking at world power changes etc.
Thanks for that! I don't know much about astrology, but I know back in Nostradamus's time it was considered the pinnacle of Science! Experimental scientists like John Dee, who were both alchemists and astrologers, very much had the ear of the queens and kings of the day. It fulfilled the same role as statistics and AI do today...
I'm pretty sure the covid weirdos had an Astrologer on board. Not a great one, if you ask me, but it was uncanny how certain changes happened exactly at certain times. Especially in Australia. I've never seen such intense timing like this before. It was like someone looked at the ephemeris and said "If you release nasty public health orders or close schools on this day, the energies for supporting that will work better". I think Australia was definitely a testing ground for things during covid. So maybe it might be a good idea to leave Australia before 2053 if it looks like another 'plandemic' is coming?! The thing is, it could've been so much better when we had the plandemic. It didn't HAVE to be clamping-down time. But of course, ego-driven humans got involved, didn't they, so of course it was bad!
Conversely, the mid-2053 Saturn/Pluto conjunction could also mean powerlessness; a letting go, if you like, from the elite crazies AND/OR the masses. A dissolution of power. It just depends on whose part. Pisces/Neptune is great at being the doormat, not the fighter; just letting things wash over everything. It's a mutable water sign. So much just goes on through to the keeper, which is why I don't think too much is going to happen in 2053 war-wise. Cardinal signs, however, especially Aries & Capricorn, and even Cancer (& Libra to a lesser degree) are movers and shakers, so 2077 looks to be a showdown. I'll be dead by then, so I won't have to worry. But our kids (& grandkids) will invariably still be alive.
I prefer Astrology to the seers/visionaries, because I 'get' Astrology; the energetic dances between the planets. I see a bunch of numbers in the Ephemeris and can visualise where the planets are and what effect they're having on the Earth. I don't need to get lost in things like 'What did he/she mean by that word, or phrase, exactly?' which often happens when reading predictions. But then again, astrology can be very vague sometimes, and you need to look for ALL the signs and see how things have been playing out thus far (eg on the international front) to get a clearer picture of what is likely to come.
Horses for courses, though. There's never just one way to do things. And it would be oh so boring if there was!
Yes I do agree with you that TPTB are probably using knowledge against us that we no longer have or use in meaningful ways or numbers. Not only astrology, I'm afraid...
I like prophecies because they are interesting from a linguistic point (I am a long-out-of-practice linguist; somewhere in the previous century I studied Medieval Dutch Language and Literature...) Reading prophecies sort of reminds me of that...
Oh, and other years to watch (ie risk of conflict/tense years) with unfavourable Saturn/Pluto transits (but only fleeting, never with that retrograde motion) are:
2028/2029
2035/2036
2044/2045
2061/2062
2068/2069
Smaller wars/localised conflict may happen during those times.
Hi, I'm not a religious person, but I've done a lot of religious reading in my time! I am also interested in predictions of various sorts.
Basically, knowing what humans are like, and judging by History, Peace, if it comes at all, only comes for short periods of time, and usually at great cost, including much loss of life. Peace never stays for long, so I don't think it matters whether Christianity or Islam is in top position in Europe. Any which way, plenty of people will be unhappy!
Too much immigration in Europe has not been helpful. In fact, too much immigration anywhere is not good. When the 'locals' in an area (whoever they may be) are outnumbered by ring-ins, then discord is almost a guarantee. 'Might is Right' as the saying goes - but of course it's often not. It's just that lots of people make the issue SEEM right.
I think any place in the world where there are too many ring-ins and/or tribal warfare is apparent and/or migrants are not assimilating, then trouble will not be far behind.
We are in agreement once again Robyn! Thank you for your nuanced comment. I wish you wouldn't live on the other side of the world so I could invite you for coffee! ☕ ♥️
Ha ha, thanks Soulminkey :-)
But you know, if there's going to be carnage in Europe, maybe YOU should come to mine for coffee! :-D
I have read quite a few of Baba Vanga's predictions, and Nostradamus'. Sometimes they seem quite specific, other times they are extremely vague (esp. in the case of Nostradamus!). However, if people are seeing things in their mind, but they are futuristic things (eg visualising space travel when the horse & cart was still operational in their own life), then explaining how this all works in their vision might be tricky. These seers, assuming they are actually seeing proper visions every time, and not just going off into La-La land thanks to a few interesting drugs (like Nostradamus also did...), have to put what they see into their own terms. So there's bound to be some misunderstandings, both from the seer's perspective - and the reader's.
And unfortunately, so many religious works have been translated over and over again that it can be hard to ascertain their true meaning.
I am also an Astrologer, so I use that for most of my predictive work. I guess knowing Astrology, Nostradamus' predictions aren't quite so fuzzy for me (but they're still a bit weird sometimes!).
I don't know how Europe is going to go. There are so many things afoot in the world right now, and covering up The Truth seems to be high up on the crazy people's list! That in itself speaks volumes.
I'd say trust your instinct. But remember that humans are humans. And Europe has seen A LOT of war. There are a lot of people there. War is bound to happen again. Whether this results in Islam or Christianity being the religion of the day is anyone's guess. All I can guarantee is that war WILL happen again in this world, and lots of people will die. WHEN this happens, though? It could be in March 2077, with a Saturn-Pluto square in Capricorn-Aries respectively (they're super closely squared, for 3 months, thanks to retrograde motion), or it could be some other time.
In somewhat recent modern history, the biggest wars (WW1 & WW2) had far and away the most deaths. Over so few years, too. Both those wars had Saturn & Pluto in challenging aspect at their beginnings - but from my research, local wars often don't seem to need that, looking at historical wars. Humans being humans is generally enough, warmongers that we are!
For WW1, Saturn was conjunct Pluto in Cancer, within 2 degrees, for 4 months, from mid-Aug 1914 to mid-Dec 1914, with a retrograde that had the two planets within 10 tiny minutes of eachother from late Sept to early Nov. That's pretty strong. Talk about families being ripped apart.
For WW2, Saturn in Taurus was square Pluto in Leo, within 2 degrees, and again, very closely for a while with that retrograde motion, again, from Jul-Sep 1939.
We get the same thing happening with Saturn in Capricorn square Pluto in Aries in 2077, including that retrograde, from mid-Feb to the end of May 2077. If there's ever going to be a world war again, I think that's it. I'm sure Europe would be involved in it. And I'm sure it would be a bloody war to do with the balance of resources/power in the world.
The Covid Plandemic began with a conjunction of Pluto & Saturn in Capricorn, FYI, on 12th January 2020. But there was none of that retrograde motion going on, and they were only conjunct the once. No planetary dance going on. Just fairly close for a month. Maybe that was why there was no true 'bloodshed' per se. Oh people died, yes they did, but not in the typical warlike fashion.
I doubt the next conjunction of Pluto & Saturn in Pisces in mid-2053 will be much to watch, bloodshed-wise, even though they're conjunct for months, and they have that retrograde motion again. It's in Pisces. Not exactly warlike! But it could certainly result in more pulling of wool over everyone's eyes/brainwashing, as well as drugs being involved, Pisces being ruled by Neptune and all...maybe another covid plandemic of sorts....
Anyway, you might hate Astrology for all I know, and here I am busily typing away! :-D
All I'm saying is that there are many ways to 'predict' the future eg seers/visionaries, astrology, religious texts, viewing history, looking at world power changes etc.
Thanks for that! I don't know much about astrology, but I know back in Nostradamus's time it was considered the pinnacle of Science! Experimental scientists like John Dee, who were both alchemists and astrologers, very much had the ear of the queens and kings of the day. It fulfilled the same role as statistics and AI do today...
I'm pretty sure the covid weirdos had an Astrologer on board. Not a great one, if you ask me, but it was uncanny how certain changes happened exactly at certain times. Especially in Australia. I've never seen such intense timing like this before. It was like someone looked at the ephemeris and said "If you release nasty public health orders or close schools on this day, the energies for supporting that will work better". I think Australia was definitely a testing ground for things during covid. So maybe it might be a good idea to leave Australia before 2053 if it looks like another 'plandemic' is coming?! The thing is, it could've been so much better when we had the plandemic. It didn't HAVE to be clamping-down time. But of course, ego-driven humans got involved, didn't they, so of course it was bad!
Conversely, the mid-2053 Saturn/Pluto conjunction could also mean powerlessness; a letting go, if you like, from the elite crazies AND/OR the masses. A dissolution of power. It just depends on whose part. Pisces/Neptune is great at being the doormat, not the fighter; just letting things wash over everything. It's a mutable water sign. So much just goes on through to the keeper, which is why I don't think too much is going to happen in 2053 war-wise. Cardinal signs, however, especially Aries & Capricorn, and even Cancer (& Libra to a lesser degree) are movers and shakers, so 2077 looks to be a showdown. I'll be dead by then, so I won't have to worry. But our kids (& grandkids) will invariably still be alive.
I prefer Astrology to the seers/visionaries, because I 'get' Astrology; the energetic dances between the planets. I see a bunch of numbers in the Ephemeris and can visualise where the planets are and what effect they're having on the Earth. I don't need to get lost in things like 'What did he/she mean by that word, or phrase, exactly?' which often happens when reading predictions. But then again, astrology can be very vague sometimes, and you need to look for ALL the signs and see how things have been playing out thus far (eg on the international front) to get a clearer picture of what is likely to come.
Horses for courses, though. There's never just one way to do things. And it would be oh so boring if there was!
Thanks for the interesting post!
Yes I do agree with you that TPTB are probably using knowledge against us that we no longer have or use in meaningful ways or numbers. Not only astrology, I'm afraid...
I like prophecies because they are interesting from a linguistic point (I am a long-out-of-practice linguist; somewhere in the previous century I studied Medieval Dutch Language and Literature...) Reading prophecies sort of reminds me of that...
Oh, and other years to watch (ie risk of conflict/tense years) with unfavourable Saturn/Pluto transits (but only fleeting, never with that retrograde motion) are:
2028/2029
2035/2036
2044/2045
2061/2062
2068/2069
Smaller wars/localised conflict may happen during those times.
If it helps to narrow things down for you!
Hi, I'm not a religious person, but I've done a lot of religious reading in my time! I am also interested in predictions of various sorts.
Basically, knowing what humans are like, and judging by History, Peace, if it comes at all, only comes for short periods of time, and usually at great cost, including much loss of life. Peace never stays for long, so I don't think it matters whether Christianity or Islam is in top position in Europe. Any which way, plenty of people will be unhappy!
Too much immigration in Europe has not been helpful. In fact, too much immigration anywhere is not good. When the 'locals' in an area (whoever they may be) are outnumbered by ring-ins, then discord is almost a guarantee. 'Might is Right' as the saying goes - but of course it's often not. It's just that lots of people make the issue SEEM right.
I think any place in the world where there are too many ring-ins and/or tribal warfare is apparent and/or migrants are not assimilating, then trouble will not be far behind.